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    Raisin Hell With SCOTUS

    Horne v. Department of Agriculture

    SCOTUS Supreme Court, decision, 81

    TAKING RAISINS IS A TAKING

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    SCOTUS  transcript, a 72 page document. 

    Link: Read The Official Transcript

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    snippets that mattered

    CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS:  ­­ normally what we

    say, if you don’t like regulations, you can challenge

    them in court to see if they comply with the

    Constitution.  The answer ­­ I mean, if the answer is

    always you can do something else, it would seem we

    should ­­ we’ll never have these kinds of cases.     

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    JUSTICE SCALIA:  These plaintiffs are ingrates, right?  You’re ­­ you’re ­­ you’re really

    helping them?

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    JUSTICE KENNEDY:  It seems to me what your

    argument is saying, is even if it’s a taking, it’s okay.

    It will be okay.  Everything will work out.  That’s what

    I get from your argument.

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    CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS:  This ­­ this is a ­­

    a historical quirk that you have to defend.  You could

    achieve your ­­ the government’s objectives, just as you

    do in most other cases, through volume limitations that

    don’t require a physical taking.

    For whatever reason, in the history of the

    New Deal, this one was set up differently.  And so we’re

    here dealing with a classical, physical taking.  We are

    not going to jeopardize the marketing ­­ the Agriculture

    Department’s Marketing Order regime.

    And by the way, it better be the Department

    of Agriculture that takes these ­­ you said earlier it’s

    Raisin Committee ­­ or else you’re going to have a lot

    of trouble in your government speech cases, where you

    always make the point that these committees are, in

    fact, the government.

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    MR. KNEEDLER:  We’re not ­­ we’re not saying

    the committee is not the government.  What I was saying

    is that the ­­ that the operation of the program is not

    for the government’s benefit.  It is for the producers’

    benefit.

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    JUSTICE SCALIA:  You say it’s one little feature of an overall program.  That little feature

    happens to be the taking of raisins.“THIS IS DIFFERENT. You come up with the truck, and you get the shovels, and you take their raisins, probably in the dark of night,” Roberts said.

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    JUSTICE KAGAN: 

    Mr. ­­ Mr. Kneedler, if ­­ I

    largely agree with what the Chief Justice said.

    I mean, just the way I think about this program is that this

    does seem a weird historical anomaly.

    And all ­­ am I right that all the rest of

    these agricultural programs are done differently, such

    that saying that this was a taking would not affect

    other agricultural programs? 

    And ­­ and also, are there any other programs out there

    ­­FORGET AGRICULTURAL PROGRAMS ­­ 

     BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROGRAMS OUT THERE

    THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE WERE TO THINK

    ABOUT THIS AS A TAKING?

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    In response to Justice Kagan  comments and question.

    ­­June 22, 2015  JUSTICE KAGAN: etal.

    FORGET AGRICULTURAL PROGRAMS?

    California’s Drought Could Upend America’s Entire Food …

    thinkprogress.org/…/2015/…/californiadrought-and-agric…

    ThinkProgress

    May 5, 2015 – by Natasha Geiling Posted on May 5, 2015 at 8:00 am … That’s a historic low for a state that has become accustomed to breaking drought records. … “When you look at the California drought maps, it’s a scary thing,” Craig …

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    JUSTICE KAGAN:  etal. ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROGRAMS OUT THERE

    THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE  DECIDE

     THAT THIS IS A TAKING?

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    TAKING PUBLIC WATER FOR FISH?

     The Man-Made California Drought – House Committee on …

    naturalresources.house.gov/…/issu…

    United States House of Representatives

    California’s water storage and transportation system designed by federal and … protecting the Delta smelt – a three-inch fish on the Endangered Species List.

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    Endangered Species Act – U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

    www.fws.gov/endangered/laws-p…

    United States Fish and Wildlife Service

    Jul 15, 2013 – When Congress passed the Endangered Species Act (ESA) in 1973

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    JUSTICE KAGAN: etal. BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROGRAMS OUT THERE

    THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE DECIDE THAT THIS IS A TAKING?

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    The Man-Made California Drought – House Committee on …

    naturalresources.house.gov/…/issu…

    California’s San Joaquin Valley is the salad bowl of the world, providing the majority of fruits and vegetables for the entire nation. But, with another man-made drought looming, the San Joaquin Valley is in danger of becoming a dust bowl unless immediate action is taken to CHANGE POLICIES THAT PUT THE NEEDS OF FISH ABOVE THE LIVELIHOOD OF PEOPLE.

    House Republicans have a bipartisan, comprehensive solution to end future man-made droughts, bring job and water supply certainty to the Sacramento and San Joaquin Valleys in California and decrease reliance on foreign food sources.

    Get the Facts:

      California’s water storage and transportation system designed by federal and state governments includes 1,200 miles of canals and nearly 50 reservoirs that provide water to about 22 million people and irrigate about four million acres of land throughout the state.

      In May 2007, a Federal District Court Judge ruled that increased amounts of water had to be re-allocated towards protecting the Delta smelt – a three-inch fish on THE ENDANGERED SPECIES LIST.

      BECAUSE OF THIS RULING, IN 2009 AND 2010 MORE THAN 300 BILLION GALLONS (OR 1 MILLION ACRE-FEET) OF WATER WERE DIVERTED AWAY FROM FARMERS IN THE CENTRAL VALLEY AND INTO THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY – eventually going out into the Pacific Ocean.

      This man-made drought cost thousands of FARM WORKERS their jobs, inflicted up to 40 percent unemployment in certain communities, AND FALLOWED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF ACRES OF FERTILE FARMLAND.

      Unemployment remains at a regional average of 17%. With current precipitation at near-record lows, the same regulations will be imposed pushing unemployment even higher.

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    ­­ JUSTICE KAGAN:  etal. FORGET AGRICULTURAL PROGRAMS?

    May 5, 2015

    California’s Drought Could Upend America’s Entire Food …

    thinkprogress.org/…/2015/…/californiadrought-and-agric…

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    JUSTICE KAGAN: BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROGRAMS OUT THERE

    THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE WERE DECIDE THAT

    THIS IS A TAKING?

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    SCOTUS Supreme Court, decision, 81

    TAKING RAISINS IS A TAKING

    ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROGRAMS OUT THERE

    THAT WE SHOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT IF WE DECIDE

    THAT THIS IS A TAKING?

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    WOW, Great question, how many more lawsuits on Government TAKING programs will this create?

    ANY OTHER PROGRAMS?  THIS IS JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBERG ON GOVERNMENT TAKINGS

    To ensure a separation of powers, the U.S. Federal Government is made up of three branches: legislative, executive and judicial. To ensure the government is effective and citizens’ rights are protected, each branch has its own powers and responsibilities, including working with the other branches.

    Link: Read The Official Transcript