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  • Fear of Terrorism in Idaho?

    JUST ANOTHER TERRORIZED STATE  

    JUST MORE RADICAL ISLAMIC TERRORISTS, ACTING AGAINST MORE INNOCENT AMERICAN CITIZENS

    January 25, 2016 THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT HAS SHIPPED MORE THAN 11,000 REFUGEES DIRECTLY FROM THE THIRD WORLD TO IDAHO SINCE THE SEPT. 11, 2001, TERRORIST ATTACKS.

    Jan 7, 2016

    Idaho: Muslim Refugee Gets 25 Years for July 4th Boise Terror Plot

     JUST IN THE PAST YEAR, 989 REFUGEES HAVE ARRIVED IN THE RURAL STATE, MOST OF THEM LANDING IN EITHER BOISE OR TWIN FALLS.

    Horrible news about a 4 year old girl being gang raped in Twin Falls, ID. There have been no arrests, even though the 13 year old refugee boy who was the ring leader allegedly filmed it.

    NEARLY HALF HAVE COME FROM SOME OF THE WORLD’S NASTIEST JIHADIST HOT ZONES, INCLUDING 95 FROM IRAQ, 94 FROM SOMALIA, 47 FROM SUDAN, 39 FROM AFGHANISTAN, 31 FROM IRAN, 28 FROM SYRIA AND 11 FROM PAKISTAN,

    ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL REFUGEE DATABASE.

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    Fear of Terrorists in Twin Falls Idaho

    June 7, 2016 TWIN FALLS, Idaho (KMVT/KSVT) – KMVT has confirmed that a reported sexual assault that possibly occurred near the Fawnbrook Apartments is being investigated by the Twin Falls Police Department. The incident allegedly occurred on June 2, 2016.

    Twin Falls County Prosecutor Grant Loebs has confirmed the investigation to Idaho’s First News, but he says there will be no charges filed in the case until the police investigation is complete.

    Several unconfirmed reports concerning the case are circulating on social media. Both the Twin Falls Police Department and the prosecutor’s office have declined to comment publicly on the case while it is still under investigation.

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    KMVT HAS CONFIRMED THAT  “A REPORTED SEXUAL ASSAULT” THAT POSSIBLY OCCURRED 

    Several unconfirmed reports concerning the case are circulating on social media.

    confirmed? unconfirmed?

    ON A FOUR  (4)  YEAR OLD RAPED BY SYRIAN REFUGEE KIDS, NEAR THE FAWNBROOK APARTMENTS IN TWIN FALLS IDAHO,  “IS BEING INVESTIGATED BY THE TWIN FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT”.

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    PLEASE WATCH THE FIRST 31 MINUTES OF THIS VIDEO LINK FROM TWIN FALLS CITY COUNCIL AS INDIVIDUAL AMERICAN CITIZENS  QUESTION AND CHALLENGE CITY COUNCIL. 

    http://twinfalls.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2clip_id=535#.V2AuwWLBmEA.facebook

    6. GENERAL PUBLIC INPUT

     IF YOU LISTEN YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWER, DIDN’T KNOW ANYTHING WAS GOING ON.

    Really? NOT AWARE OF A CRIME BEING COMMITTED?

    They are not aware of a news story assault?

    They want a factual account?

    AS Confirmed on this video?  A CLUELESS CITY COUNCIL

    AS  Unconfirmed?

    Here are the details as reported by a Twin Falls resident

    snippets full text below

    She was playing in between those two apartment units when 3 boys (from 2 Syrian refugee families, ages 8, 10, 13)  pulled a knife on her, held it to her throat, forced her into the laundry unit, stripped her naked, raped, and urinated on her.  THE 13 YEAR OLD “COACHED” THE YOUNGER BOYS AS HE VIDEOED. Due to age restraint the boys could not ejaculate but did urinate on her. 

    TWO (2) AND A HALF HOURS LATER THE TWIN FALLS POLICE ARRIVED. MOTHER OF VICTIM GAVE PD THE VIDEO.

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    IF THE TWIN FALLS POLICE got the video of the sexual assault?
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    POLICE DID NOT (STILL HAVE NOT) MADE ANY ARRESTS, REPORTEDLY BECAUSE OF THE ‘LANGUAGE BARRIER’.


    BOTH PERP REFUGEE FAMILIES ARE STILL IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, LANDLORD IS UNABLE TO EVICT.  THE MOTHER OF VICTIM ESTIMATES 50+ REFUGEES ARE IN THE COMPLEX.


    PROSECUTING ATTORNEY GRANT LOEBS (OR HIS OFFICE) SUGGESTED THAT THE VICTIM’S FAMILY MAY NOT WISH TO PROSECUTE.

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    FOR FEAR OF TERRORISM RETALIATION IN TWIN FALLS IDAHO?

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    Question to Twin Falls City Council?

    How many more then 300 Syrian refugee in Twin Falls Idaho?

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    JAN 25, 2016 JUST IN THE PAST YEAR, 989 REFUGEES HAVE ARRIVED IN THE RURAL STATE, MOST OF THEM LANDING IN EITHER BOISE OR TWIN FALLS. ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL REFUGEE DATABASE.

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    Obama Admin to Colonize Idaho with Thousands of Muslim Refugees …

    freedomoutpost.com/obama-admin-to-colonize-idaho-with-thousands-of-muslim-refu

    MAY 5, 2015 – Projections show the center will likely receive 300 refugees from around the … CSI’s Refugee Center has already resettled more than 1,000 refugees from Iraq, the neighboring country to Syria, and many speak Arabic. … to three years, with 70 percent going to Boise and 30 percent in the Twin Falls area,” …

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    JAN 25, 2016

    Ever wonder why the federal government would be sending hundreds of foreign refugees to a relatively small town in Idaho?

    Wonder no more.

    Idaho: Muslim yogurt billionaire: ‘Hire more Muslim refugees …

    https://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/…/idaho-muslim-yogurt-billionaire-hire-more-m…

    JAN 25, 2016 – As WND previously reported, Twin Falls is in… … about 300 refugees this year, many of them Muslims from Syria. … The U.S. State Department has shipped more than 11,000 refugees directly from the Third World to Idaho …

    Posted on January 25, 2016 by creeping

    They’re sent there, many of them, to work in the world’s largest yogurt factory.

    As WND previously reported, Twin Falls is in line to receive about 300 refugees this year, many of them Muslims from Syria. And the state of Idaho, despite its reputation as a mostly white, conservative farm state, has been a popular destination for refugees in recent years.

    THE U.S. STATE DEPARTMENT HAS SHIPPED MORE THAN 11,000 REFUGEES DIRECTLY FROM THE THIRD WORLD TO IDAHO SINCE THE SEPT. 11, 2001, TERRORIST ATTACKS.

     JUST IN THE PAST YEAR, 989 REFUGEES HAVE ARRIVED IN THE RURAL STATE, MOST OF THEM LANDING IN EITHER BOISE OR TWIN FALLS.

     NEARLY HALF HAVE COME FROM SOME OF THE WORLD’S NASTIEST JIHADIST HOT ZONES, INCLUDING 95 FROM IRAQ, 94 FROM SOMALIA, 47 FROM SUDAN, 39 FROM AFGHANISTAN, 31 FROM IRAN, 28 FROM SYRIA AND 11 FROM PAKISTAN, ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL REFUGEE DATABASE.

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    [CS: One of them, a Muslim Refugee Received a 25 Year Prison Sentence for a July 4th Boise Terror Plot.]

    Uzbek man sentenced to 25 years on terror-related charges | The …

    www.seattletimes.com/…/idahoterroristsentenced-to-25years-in-priso

    THE SEATTLE TIMES

    Jan 7, 2016 – BOISE, Idaho (AP) — An Uzbek refugee authorities say had an unwavering commitment to kill personnel at a military base or civilians at …

    Idaho: Muslim Refugee Gets 25 Years for July 4th Boise Terror Plot

    Posted on January 8, 2016 by creeping

    Uzbek man sentenced to 25 years on terror-related charges

    By KEITH RIDLER | January 7, 2016 | 8:55 PM EST

    BOISE, Idaho (AP) — An Uzbek refugee authorities say had an unwavering commitment to kill personnel at a military base or civilians at crowded Fourth of July celebrations in downtown Boise, Idaho, has been sentenced to 25 years in prison.

    Fazliddin Kurbanov received the sentence Thursday that includes three years of supervised release and a $250,000 fine. He will also face deportation proceedings after serving the prison sentence.

    A federal jury in August convicted Kurbanov of conspiracy, attempting to support a terrorist organization and possession of bomb-making components. Kurbanov has maintained his innocence.

    “Your honor,” Kurbanov told U.S. District Judge Edward J. Lodge through an interpreter, “I’d like to say that I’m not a terrorist. I’ve never been a terrorist.”

    But Lodge in handing down the sentence said Kurbanov “intended to commit jihad against the United States.”

    Prosecutors say the 33-year-old Russian-speaking truck driver who fled Uzbekistan in 2009 downloaded jihadist and martyrdom videos from a terrorist website and communicated with a terrorist organization, the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. Authorities monitored his communications and arrested him in 2013.

    Besides targeting Boise, authorities said, Kurbanov also discussed with a confidential FBI source targeting military bases, in particular West Point Military Academy in New York.

    Kurbanov received 15 years each on the first two counts to be served concurrently and 10 years on possessing the bomb-making components to be served after completing the 15-year sentences.

    DEFENSE ATTORNEY CHUCK PETERSON ASKED LODGE FOR A SENTENCE IN THE 13-YEAR RANGE, NOTING KURBANOV HADN’T ACTUALLY HARMED ANYONE AND WOULD BE DEPORTED AFTER PRISON.

    “That’s punishment enough for what he did,” Peterson said.

    U.S. Assistant Attorney Aaron Lucoff asked Lodge to sentence Kurbanov to 35 years in prison.

    “Society needs to be protected from this defendant,” Lucoff told Lodge. Lucoff said Kurbanov wanted to strike Americans on U.S. soil to avenge U.S. military action in central Asia.

    Prosecutors called four witnesses at the sentencing hearing, one an FBI agent and explosives expert and three jail workers at the Ada County Jail. They also showed videos of Kurbanov in the jail spitting on a jail deputy and spitting on a camera and other areas of a special holding cell. One of the jail workers testified that Kurbanov soaked paper towels with his urine and threw it into another inmate’s cell.

    Lodge said he was “taken aback” by the videos and testimony. He also said Kurbanov lacked an appreciation for a system of government that would spend more than $1 million on his defense on the foundational idea that anyone accused of a crime is innocent until proven guilty.

    “The lengthy term of imprisonment imposed by the Court ensures that this defendant, who by his words and acts was intent on taking American lives, does not and will not pose any further threat to the safety and security of our community,” said U.S. Attorney Wendy Olson in a statement after the sentencing.

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    Treasure Valley Refugee Resettlement Facts

    Your fact-based source of information researched and compiled by citizens of the Treasure Valley regarding Refugee Resettlement.

    Thursday, June 16, 2016

    4 year old raped by Syrian refugee kids in Twin Falls/Purposeful LIES by your media regarding Muslims in America/ Survivor coming to Twin Falls

    Horrible news about a 4 year old girl being gang raped in Twin Falls, ID. There have been no arrests, even though the 13 year old refugee boy who was the ring leader allegedly filmed it.
    KMVT has confirmed that a reported sexual assault that possibly occurred near the Fawnbrook Apartments is being investigated by the Twin Falls Police Department. The incident allegedly occurred on June 2.

    Here are the details as reported by a Twin Falls resident-
    The little girl being born very premature she is less developed for her age.
    The little girl was at the FAWNBROOK apartment buildings where both her parents and grandmother reside.  She was playing in between those two apartment units when 3 boys (from 2 Syrian refugee families, ages 8, 10, 13)  pulled a knife on her, held it to her throat, forced her into the laundry unit, stripped her naked, raped, and urinated on her.  The 13 year old “coached” the younger boys as he videoed. Due to age restraint the boys could not ejaculate but did urinate on her.

    THE VICTIM’S GRANDMOTHER DISCOVERED THE SITUATION AND IMMEDIATELY CALLED THE VICTIM’S MOTHER WHO CALLED TWIN FALLS POLICE DEPARTMENT. 

    The victim’s mother took the video/phone from the 13 year old.
    Witnessed by the victims mother:
    The 13 year olds father arrived on the scene and hi-fived his son. A mother of the perps arrived and knew only enough English to repeatedly say, “No police”.
    2 AND A HALF HOURS LATER THE TWIN FALLS POLICE ARRIVED. MOTHER OF VICTIM GAVE PD THE VIDEO. POLICE DID NOT (STILL HAVE NOT) MADE ANY ARRESTS, REPORTEDLY BECAUSE OF THE ‘LANGUAGE BARRIER’.
    BOTH PERP REFUGEE FAMILIES ARE STILL IN THE APARTMENT COMPLEX, LANDLORD IS UNABLE TO EVICT.  THE MOTHER OF VICTIM ESTIMATES 50+ REFUGEES ARE IN THE COMPLEX.
    PROSECUTING ATTORNEY GRANT LOEBS (OR HIS OFFICE) SUGGESTED THAT THE VICTIM’S FAMILY MAY NOT WISH TO PROSECUTE.
    ***we suspect Loebs of corruption and collusion***
    We believe this family ought to file a lawsuit against CSI, perhaps TFPD.
    VIDEO LINK FROM TF CITY COUNCIL AS ACT MEMBERS QUESTION AND CHALLENGE CITY COUNCIL.  IF YOU LISTEN YOU WILL SEE THAT THEY HAVE NO ANSWER, DIDN’T KNOW ANYTHING WAS GOING ON.  Listen close to Don Hall name a young lady as the victim in response to Mr. Edwards calling the victim a youth.
    http://twinfalls.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2clip_id=535#.V2AuwWLBmEA.facebook
    The Twin Falls city council is very  “dismissive” to its citizens. Are their collective heads hiding in the sand over the refugee issues?


  • Fighting Fire With Fire

    Fighting Fire With Fire
    By definition Combat an evil or negative circumstances by reacting in kind.
    “Fighting Fire With Fire” is necessary for the security and protection of students in American public schools.

    WHAT IS AN OPPORTUNIST? IN A GUN FREE ZONE?
    An opportunist is a noun that means a person who places expediency above principle. Opportunists are people who see a chance to gain some advantage from a situation, often at the expense of ethics or morals. An opportunist seizes every opportunity to improve things for himself. a person who practices opportunism, or the policy of adapting actions, decisions, etc., to effectiveness regardless of the sacrifice of ethical principles:

    WHAT IS AN OPPORTUNIST? IN A GUN FREE SCHOOL ZONE?
    “AN UNSTOPPABLE KILLER”

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    Roseburg, Reeling From Massacre, Finds Security in Gun Ownership
    New York Times‎ – 6 hours ago
    While President Obama has called for stricter gun regulations, many in the Oregon community said the shooting rampage had only increased …
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    Oct 1st, 2015
    A few hours after the Thursday shooting, Obama spoke at length in the White House press room about how expanded background checks and other laws would help reduce gun violence.
    The president added: “And of course what’s also routine is that somebody somewhere will comment and say, ‘Obama politicized this issue.’ Well, this is something we should politicize.”
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    Well, this is something else we should politicize.”
    Mr. Obama always jumps the “Gun” after a school shooting.

    WHAT IS AN OPPORTUNIST? AFTER A MASS SCHOOL SHOOTING? an opportunist is a noun that means a person who places expediency above principle. Opportunists are people who see a chance to gain some advantage from a situation, often at the expense of ethics or morals. An opportunist seizes every opportunity to improve things for himself. a person who practices opportunism, or the policy of adapting actions, decisions, etc., to effectiveness regardless of the sacrifice of ethical principles: He is …

    Opportunistic, as usual, Mr. 0bama has insisted on politicizing the event as a conduit for increased executive orders on gun control via means of his pen, and his phone.
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    I watched part of the first Roseburg news brief of the school shooting on TV.
    The third or fourth speaker finally got it right..
    snippet….
    City Council President (Tom) Ryan If Obama “can help heal some families, more power to him,” said Ryan, who also expressed concerns about what the president might say during his visit.
    “We don’t need to be in the middle of a national gun rights debate,” Ryan said. “We have people who are healing. That is our main concern.”

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    Jacques said two Douglas County commissioners – Tim Freeman and Chris Boice – as well as Sheriff John Hanlin on Saturday expressed support for a statement saying THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN HAVING THE PRESIDENT VISIT IF HE IS “COMING HERE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF OUR CRISIS TO PROMOTE HIS POLITICAL AGENDA.”

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    INDEED, The people of Roseburg don’t need an out of town GUN CONTROL opportunist adding to their misery.
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    Combating a negative circumstances by reacting in kind

    UPDATE: (7:30 PM ) 1,900 people have signed up to attend rally to protest Barack Obama.

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    Oct 6th, 2015
    Update: 1,900 Sign Up to Protest Obama’s Visit to Roseburg …
    www.thegatewaypundit.com/…/roseburg-or-residents-organize-protest-a…
    23 hours ago – Update: 1,900 Sign Up to Protest Obama’s Visit to Roseburg, Oregon. Jim Hoft Oct 6th, 2015 6:00 pm 63 Comments. David Jacques, publisher …
    Oct 6th, 2015
    http://www.patrickhenrysociety.com/rally-in-roseburg-patriots-plan-to-tell-obama-hes-not-welcome/

    Rally in Roseburg: Patriots Plan to Tell Obama He’s Not …

    www.patrickhenrysociety.com/rally-in-roseburgpatriotsplan-to-telloba

    1 day ago – Rally in Roseburg: Patriots Plan to Tell Obama He’s Not Welcome … shooting in Roseburg, OR, President Obama has made a point to not only …
    Posted by Kit Lange on Oct 6, 2015 |
    In the wake of the recent shooting in Roseburg, OR, President Obama has made a point to not only talk openly about executive orders regarding gun control, but also plans to make a visit to Roseburg on Friday to underscore the point. He plans to talk to the families of those killed, as well as push for “common sense” gun control.

    There’s only one problem. It seems quite a few in Roseburg don’t want him there.

    One Facebook group titled “Stay Out of Roseburg” had over 800 likes in only a few hours. The Heirs of Patrick Henry, another OR-based patriot group, is already planning a rally the morning of Obama’s visit, with the express purpose of making it known loud and clear that the President is not welcome in Roseburg. Obviously, this is a peaceful rally, put on by some stalwart patriots who I’ve had the pleasure of working with and standing next to in the past. They’re good guys, and they are absolutely serious about this. Even the brother of one of the wounded had this to say when asked the million dollar question “What would you say to President Obama?”
    “I would tell him to look where the problem really lies and quit running the agenda ¬ quit running the gun agenda,” he said. “It’s not the problem. It’s mental health in America. It’s obvious. All of us talk about it. I don’t know why we are hiding from it.”
    Hush, you person-with-actual-common-sense, you. You’re jacking up the narrative. So much for your invite to the White House. (What? You didn’t “build” a “clock” as a backup plan?)

    The rally in Roseburg has support from several groups in OR and WA state, and while the short notice and early timeframe (0600) has some folks unable to attend, it still seems to be shaping up to be an interesting event. At 0430 Tuesday morning, only a few short hours after creation, over 1,300 people had already been invited, showing a grassroots spread of the event across social media. From the event page:
    The anointed one his majesty king 0bama and the White House have announced a Friday arrival in Roseburg, Oregon in the wake of Oct 1st’s horrific tragedy at UCC.
    Polarizing as usual, Mr 0bama has insisted on politicizing the event as a conduit for increased executive orders on gun control via means of his pen, and his phone.
    This blatant disrespect of the victims families, the community and the town of Roseburg, Mr 0bama’s administration is flying not just the 747 that is airforce one to Oregon, but a three helicopter team of Sikorsky’s that make up HMX-1, known as Marine one to travel to Roseburg at the taxpayers expense.
    We need a lot of people. Please come show your support for Roseburg, not the little man who has no respect for the constitution.
    Sounds like a good time to me. What will make it even more interesting is the 2012 law that makes it illegal to protest anywhere the Secret Service decides is off-limits. Now taking bets on whether their protest gets either relegated to a “free speech zone” or the participants face some kind of jackbooted action.

    In other words, your presence is needed. As I’ve written before, the potential for things to go bad is not a good reason to stay home. It is, however, a pretty compelling reason to go.
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    Thank God the internet is still a “free speech zone”
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    Indeed, Oct 6th, 2015

    President Barack Obama’s remarks in favor of gun control after last week’s shooting at …
    OregonLive.com‎ – 16 hours ago
    Jeff Mapes | The Oregonian/OregonLive By Jeff … The White House said Obama is traveling to Roseburg to “visit privately with families of victims of the shooting,” leaving the …
    By Jeff Mapes | The Oregonian/OregonLive
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    on October 06, 2015 at 6:34 PM, updated October 06, 2015 at 6:47 PM
    President Barack Obama’s remarks in favor of gun control a few hours after the mass shooting at Umpqua Community College is sparking anger in Roseburg about his upcoming visit to the city.
    David Jacques, a Republican activist who publishes a weekly newspaper in Roseburg, warned on national TV on Monday night that the president “is not welcome in the community.”
    Local social media sites in the conservative community are replete with criticism of the president, and several local officials said Obama should stay away from the subject of gun laws during his Friday visit.
    “I was not pleased with the direction the commander-in-chief took” after the shootings, state Rep. Dallas Heard, R-Roseburg, said Tuesday. “Let’s hope he can think to do better when he comes here. We can only hope.”
    The White House said Obama is traveling to Roseburg to “visit privately with families of victims of the shooting,” leaving the impression he would not have any public events for what is expected to be a short visit.
    The furor over the president’s visit led the Roseburg City Council to issue a statement saying city officials will welcome Obama and “extend him every courtesy.”
    Council President Tom Ryan said in an interview Tuesday that the statement – which referred to “misrepresentations” made by some people – was aimed at Jacques, who claimed to have the support of community leaders.
    If Obama “can help heal some families, more power to him,” said Ryan, who also expressed concerns about what the president might say during his visit.
    “We don’t need to be in the middle of a national gun rights debate,” Ryan said. “We have people who are healing. That is our main concern.”
    Jacques, who was a delegate to the 2012 Republican national convention, has been interviewed by Bill O’Reilly on Fox News and featured on several conservative websites.
    He said in an interview with The Oregonian/Oregon Live that Obama showed “blatant disregard for the mourning process,” and he charged that the president is coming to Roseburg to recruit family members to speak out in favor of tougher gun laws.
    A few hours after the Thursday shooting, Obama spoke at length in the White House press room about how expanded background checks and other laws would help reduce gun violence.
    The president added: “And of course what’s also routine is that somebody somewhere will comment and say, ‘Obama politicized this issue.’ Well, this is something we should politicize.”
    Jacques said two Douglas County commissioners – Tim Freeman and Chris Boice – as well as Sheriff John Hanlin on Saturday expressed support for a statement saying they were not interested in having the president visit if he is “coming here to take advantage of our crisis to promote his political agenda.”
    The sheriff and two commissioners could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
    Jeff Ackerman, editor and publisher of the Roseburg News-Review, the local daily newspaper, said it is one thing for the president to meet privately with the families of the victims.
    “If he’s going to stand on Main Street and talk about gun control,” Ackerman said, “that’s not going to go too well in Roseburg or Douglas County.”
    — Jeff Mapes
    jmapes@oregonian.com
    503-221-8209
    @jeffmapes

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    While President Obama has called for stricter gun regulations, many in the Oregon community said the shooting rampage had only increased …
    By JACK HEALY and JULIE TURKEWITZOCT. 7, 2015
    Students visited a memorial at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Ore. Many in the community said the shooting rampage there had only increased their belief in the importance of owning guns. Credit John Locher/Associated Press
    ROSEBURG, Ore. — A week has passed since J.J. Vicari huddled underneath a desk while gunshots exploded in the classroom next door. Now, he is thinking about guns. Not about tightening gun laws, as President Obama urged after nine people were killed at the community college here. But about buying one for himself.
    “It’s opened my eyes,” said Mr. Vicari, 19. “I want to have a gun in the house to protect myself, to protect the people I’m with. I’m sure I’ll have a normal life and never have to go through anything like this, but I want to be sure.”
    Mr. Obama plans to visit Roseburg on Friday to meet the grieving families of yet another gun rampage, but many people here are bristling at his renewed call for stricter gun laws. In some ways, the rampage at the college by a 26-year-old student, Christopher Harper-Mercer, has actually tightened the embrace of guns in a rural town where shots at rifle ranges echo off the hills and hunters bag deer and elk through the fall.
    Some families touched by the violence and students who fled gunfire said they now feared that the kind of bloodshed seen inside Classroom 15 at Snyder Hall, Umpqua Community College, could happen anywhere. Some said they were planning to buy guns. Others said they would seek concealed-weapons permits. Others, echoing gun advocates’ calls for more weapons on campus, said the college should allow its security guard to carry guns. A few said they thought that stricter gun control laws could have averted the massacre.
    Even Mr. Obama’s visit has stirred fiercely polarized responses. Some residents and the publisher of a weekly conservative newspaper said he was not welcome, and accused him of using the town’s anguish to advance his gun-control agenda.
    The language got so angry that on Tuesday the mayor and other city officials put out a statement saying they welcomed Mr. Obama and “will extend him every courtesy.”
    And while the mass shooting here has pushed some people toward wanting to arm themselves, it has also pushed others in the opposite direction. Students like Devon Paasch, 36, whose writing teacher, Lawrence Levine, was among the victims, said the murders had intensified her belief that the country needed stricter gun laws. Ms. Paasch was not on campus that morning because she slept through her alarm; she has spent the past week tilting between grief, guilt and a fear of returning to school.
    “No kind of gun control is going to stop everything,” Ms. Paasch said. “But in a situation like this, it could have saved 10 lives.”
    The debate has rolled across a conservative, timber-producing region where flags are at half-staff and roadside signs solicit prayers for the victims. From a wooded gun range south of town, to City Hall, to KC’s Exchange, where Carolyn Kellim sells handguns and ammunition out of her home, people insisted that the actions of Mr. Harper-Mercer, who was armed with six guns and spare ammunition magazines, would not displace guns from their place in local life.
    “That’s why we have guns: We don’t have the government dictating when to get on our knees,” said Ms. Kellim, who is 86.
    After the shooting, gun-control groups and national news media skewered Sheriff John Hanlin of Douglas County, which includes Roseburg, for a letter he wrote to Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. after the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre in Connecticut. In it he said, “Gun control is NOT the answer to preventing heinous crimes like school shootings.” But in church pews and coffee shops, many residents said they still believed he was right. Online, some are using #supportforHanlin to back him.
    A community college student has started a petition to allow concealed weapons on all campuses, echoing hotly disputed arguments from national gun groups that mass shootings could be stopped by more “good guys with guns.” In 2011, an Oregon court said public colleges could not ban guns from campus.
    Umpqua Community College only banned guns “without written authorization,” and students said many of their classmates carried concealed weapons. One of them, John Parker Jr., an Air Force veteran, told MSNBC that he was armed when the attack happened, but did not intervene. He said SWAT officers might have mistaken him for a killer.
    “This just shows you, you have to have a way to protect yourself,” said Makayla Thomas, 19, who raced into a student center when the attack started and huddled there until the police arrived. “It’s happened once. Who knows what can happen?”
    Jamie Skinner, 34, a former girlfriend of Chris Mintz, the Army veteran who blocked the door to a classroom at Umpqua Community College and was shot by Mr. Harper-Mercer, said in an interview last week that the massacre in Roseburg would not change her opinion that owning guns was important. Ms. Skinner has worked as an armed security guard, and said she and Mr. Mintz went to shooting ranges for recreation.
    “We are a weapons family,” Ms. Skinner said. She and Mr. Mintz have a 6-year-old son, Tyrik, who has autism and who also influenced her attitude toward guns. “I like to have the ability to protect myself and my child,” she said.
    But Ashley Schmidt, 28, said the horror she heard through the walls of the classrooms had nudged her toward supporting rules that would regulate guns the way cars are. She was in Classroom 14 in Snyder Hall when the shooting started, and ran out amid a storm of gunfire, yelling “Gun! Gun! Gun!” at a girl in the hallway whose earbuds had blocked out the noise.
    Ms. Schmidt said she opposed “taking guns away,” and lamented that there was no foolproof way to keep guns away from criminals or would-be mass murderers.
    “I’ve always felt like there is nothing I can do,” she said, about school shootings. “But I see this country falling apart.”
    Laura M. Holson contributed reporting from San Francisco, and Claire Cain Miller from Portland, Ore.